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It's come to my attention that content posted to Wikia is implicitly licensed the Creative Commons CC-BY-SA license. It seems to me that this is is incompatible with Paizo's Community Use Policy. The good folks at Wikia are unlikely to take kindly to removal of content, so instead I propose that we begin by taking a page form Necromancer Games.

Necromancer seemed to believe that using a similar but different name they would not be breaking WotC's copyright (as evidenced by The Original Spell Name Compendium). I think that we should be able to do the same thing. Gozreh could become Gozrah, Aroden could be Aradan, and Sandpoint could become Sandspont. This would get us over the hump of proper nouns. We could do most of this with bots.

The harder part would be dealing with story elements. I'm open to suggestions on how to handle that.

Aeakett 01:08, February 13, 2012 (UTC)
Paizo Publishing LLC, copyright holder of Pathfinder and related publications, and administer of the Community Use Policy license has been made aware of this issue. Ultimately, the contributors to this site nor Wikia have the legal right to append CC-BY-SA to the Community Use Policy, meaning neither we as editors nor Wikia as a company can declare the proper nouns and other copyrighted content as open under a different license. In retrospect, the site never should have been ported from our own hosting to Wikia, given this licensing issue, but what's done is done; Paizo will be contacting Wikia regarding what can be done with their intellectual property.
yoda8myhead 20:20, February 15, 2012 (UTC)
So, it looks like all of our hard work clearing out CUP content has been reverted by wikia. I've sent them a message asking them to reply here in this thread. You can see the content of the message here.
Aeakett (talk) 18:53, April 3, 2013 (UTC)
Nice, it also looks like all of the previous discussion has gone down the memory hole. I'm almost positive it was here a few minutes ago. ***EDIT*** Also, it looks like the No CUP policy has been removed... and I'm darn-near certain that was here.
Aeakett (talk) 18:59, April 3, 2013 (UTC)
Hmm... I was under the impression that Paizo had contacted Wikia and that they had been ignored. Anyway, it looks like Paizo will have to push again from their end.
Aeakett (talk) 19:23, April 3, 2013 (UTC)
He who controls the bits can apparently rewrite history, especially when it involved the illegal use of another company's intellectual property. As a representative of Paizo, I can assure you that a takedown notice was issued and ignored. I will ensure that another is sent posthaste and that the proper individuals within Paizo are informed of this revisionism to maintain SEO.
yoda8myhead (talk) 19:47, April 3, 2013 (UTC)
User contributions are assumed to be CC-BY-SA unless otherwise stated; so not all content on Wikia must be CC-BY-SA. There are two (or more) ways by which Wikia can use material which is copyrighted by Paizo Publishing: (1) if the use is considered fair use under U.S. copyright law then it is permissible or (2) if the content being used is licensed such as by the Community Use Policy (CUP).

To complicate things further, content might be licensed under both the CC-BY-SA and the CUP/fair use. For example, if I were to describe Golarion such that the description would invoke the image of Paizo Publishing's Golarion, then my description would be licensed under the CC-BY-SA, but it might contain content which is copyright to Paizo Publishing (used either under fair use or through the CUP). Thus, both licenses are compatible for use on this wiki.

I read through the CUP, and while it is very liberal, the amount of content being licensed is very, very limited: "You may descriptively reference trademarks, proper names (characters, deities, artifacts, places, etc.), locations and characters from products listed [...]". I do not believe that the CUP offers sufficient material for Galoriopedia, and as such a bulk of the content on Wikia is fair used and not through the CUP at all. That which is through the CUP should be stated as such.

I'd also add that removing mass amounts of content for legal reasons should not be handled by any User or Admin and instead left to the discretion of Wikia staff (and to be clear, I am NOT Wikia Staff—I am just a user).

Odie5533 (talk) 06:20, May 2, 2014 (UTC)

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